Need help with geophones and qa472

Hi, I know nothing about audio or electronics and have been one of those people relying on chatgpt to try to do something above their pay grade.

Tldr: Can a two-lead geophone work with pre2 of the qa472 preamp at all?

I have a project that I need a geophone for, and chatgpt recommended the qa472 as a good Preamp for an R.T. Clark 4.5hz geophone. (I will try to post a link to that product at the bottom.) I purchased the plain two-lead ending for the geophone initially, no connector, and used an XLR adapter to plug it into pre1, and then to a Zoom h5 studio recorder/interface, then going digitally to my pc, and everything went great. There is some noticeable buzz in the system which I’ve been unable to get rid of, which ai’ve chalked up to being introduced either at the XLR adapter connection (I am horrible at soldering) or at the less-shielded lead wire of the geophone (combined with being in an electrically active environment, rather than the outdoors).

However when I tried to repeat this with pre2 (using bnc now) I’ve run into issues. The buzz is intense and either obscures all data, or there is a loss of sensitivity alongside the intense buzz. I’ve tried multiple adapters and cables, and when that didn’t work, I purchased a third geophone with a factory-installed bnc connector, but that didn’t help either. So it’s not the geophone, bnc cables, or adapters. I’ve also tried changing interfaces and XLR ports of the same (h5 studio) interface.

I’m reaching out because at this point chatgpt doesn’t seem to be very certain as to what’s going on. The only guess it seems to have is that geophones just won’t work with the high-impedance unbalanced nature of pre2 (but earlier on it seemed to think this would be better, not worse). Maybe there’s something obvious chatgpt isn’t seeing? I’d basically just like to have a human-confirmed answer as to whether a geophone of this construction could ever work in pre2 of the preamp, or if there’s any troubleshooting I might want to try.

Hi @Nash, it looks like the geophone you linked to is a large coil with a moving mass attached with springs inside. There’s no indication that a preamp is present.

I think you’d want the PRE1 of the QA472. This is a diff amp that would help with the common mode rejection. The output impedance of the geophone coil is 375 ohms, and the input impedance of the QA472 PRE1 is about 100X that so you are OK, there.

The JFET amp (PRE2) will be very difficult to use with a coil because it is unbalanced and high gain. As you note, the powerline will be impossible to deal with with PRE2.

When using PRE1, I think take the two leads of the geophone and go into pins 2 (hot) and 3 (cold). And then, have the cable shield go to PIN1 (ground/shield). And make sure you have the ground/shield connected to earth ground. There are connectors on amazon that will let you grab a good earth ground from a wall plug. You can clip the earth ground to any BNC shell on the QA472 and see whether the earth ground helps or not with the powerline.

https://www.amazon.com/StaticTek-Adapter-Universal-Connection-Unbreakable/dp/B071J61CSV